Perhaps following certain need towards longer years instantly appearing in the heraldry may come to help you light

Perhaps following certain need towards longer years instantly appearing in the heraldry may come to help you light

In my opinion Tim might be publish the brand new goes through of your own picture in order to their website, and certainly will post that link to the brand new newsgroup.

Re: Wingfield Coats-of-Possession

connections of your own members, (new Wingfields was indeed investigated fairly well, and you may despite my typo on Howard family, I actually do have the pedigree precisely annotated in RI) >>

I’m not sure this really is a precise statement. Really does the publication address the newest age group *prior* to help you John Russell exactly who e mom and dad regarding Elizabeth Russell just who yards Sir Robert Wingfield ?

Re: ? Comyn wife off Malise

You will find the following so you’re able to complete some of the openings you inform you forthe high-grandparents away from Reginald le Cheyne. One of many primaryadditions comes from his paternal grandmother (NN on the blog post) havingbeen Mary de- Moravia (als de- Moray), sister and you may coheiress of Freskinde Moravia of Duffus (their unique parents Walter de- Moravia and you may Euphemia ofRoss appear lower than). You’ve got the matter about their maternalgrandmother: We keep she is actually Joanna de Menteith, 2nd wife away from Malise,Earl from Strathearn. This would about give a close explanationfor Joanna’s daughter Helen off Strathearn (partner successively ofReginald le Cheyne, the daddy, as well as Sir David de- Graham) beingnamed to possess Helen de Menteith, sibling regarding Joanna and you may partner away from Sir ColinCampbell from Lochow (d. bef Get 1343).

Unfortuitously, In my opinion you’ll find additional holes when you look at the Muriel Keith’sancestry (pick below). Regarding either additions advised for the tablesbelow, excite advise of every detailed issues, otherwise just what documentationmight suggest any error listed.

We have openings in both ancestries, but fiercely in this from Reginald.For Muriel Keith, her higher-grandparents I show1 William de- Keith d bef 12932 Barbara Seton

I am not saying conscious of one paperwork giving support to Blumenau women dating the personality regarding the spouse due to the fact Barbara Seton. For those who have indexed people, delight suggest.

step 3 Alexander de- Synton4 NN5 Alexander of /Fraser/ Chamberlain of Scotland d step three Aug 13326 Mary de- Brus, Baroness /Fraser/

Sir Alexander Fraser hitched Mary Bruce (or de Brus), along with a beneficial young buck John recognized as ‘nepos’ out-of Robert _the_Bruce. This young man try a more youthful John, yet not, and never their heir. John Fraser, later lord off Aboyne, try new son out-of a primary relationships (it partner not familiar; I’ve which for the power out of Andrew MacEwen).

step 3 Walter de Moravia (son off Hugh de Moravia, and you may Annabela of Fife) cuatro Euphemia from Ross (dau. out of Fearchar, initial Earl away from Ross and you may NN deBrus)

5 Malise, sixth Earl regarding /Strathearn/ bef 1281- d Agnes NN maybe Comyn d aft 13097 Sir John de Menteith (young man out-of Walter Stewart, Elizabeth out-of Menteith and you may

Brand new consanguinity between Muriel Keith and you may Reginald le Cheyne -known to was a good-grandson regarding Malise, Earl out-of Strathearn (d.1312) – is the best research (when the indirect) these particular several individualshad a minumum of one predecessor/ancestress in common.

I’ve openings both in ancestries, however, ferociously because of Reginald.Having Muriel Keith, her great-grandparents I show1 William de- Keith d bef 12932 Barbara Seton3 Alexander de- Synton4 NN5 Alexander away from /Fraser/ Chamberlain regarding Scotland d step 3 Aug 13326 Mary de Brus, Baroness /Fraser/7 NN Fraser8 NN

To possess Reginald le Cheney it’s sparse1 NN Cheney , dos NN, step 3 NN, 4 NN5 Malise, 6th Earl of /Strathearn/ bef 1281- d Agnes NN maybe Comyn d aft 13097 and 8 NN

Re: Agnes Beler

Woodford, early 15the century, from inside the Leicestershire. Age is actually the fresh new d Villiers and you may Agnes Beler. Now, I wish to connect Agnes to Sir Roger Beler, murdered by Eustace de Folville, however, I can not pick any factual statements about their unique. Is also somebody let?